With or Without?

"IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda" (iddavo) 10/28/2013 at 18:38 • Filed to: With or Without?

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I have a friend who is getting a 2004 WRX and I told him it would look better without the wing and hood scoop. The intercooler is mounted in the front. Oppo what are your thoughts?

ddavidn > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:39

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I think you have to do something special to take that wing off... otherwise the trunk might go through the back window? I'd take them both off.

scoob > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:41

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Obligatory WRX needs obligatory wing and hood scoop.

Nah, it's up to him!

hollanddjw 1 > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:41

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With a FMIC, I find the scoop to be unnecessary and garish.

TurboSloth > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:42

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Keep the hood scoop. Always. Spoiler is up to him.

PS9 > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:42

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I want the WRX STi bits in a normal looking scooby. I'd even get salad shooter wheels and not wash it every once and a while. Lull fools into a false sense of security and all that.

Takuro Spirit > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:43

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Well you need the scoop either way. Either because top mount, or because turbo cooling.

I say ditch the wing because sexy. Been trying to get a buddy of mine to trunk swap his '05 WRB because it'd look a ton better without the park bench. And because sleeper.

That's a lot of becauses.

ddavidn > Takuro Spirit 10/28/2013 at 18:45

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Oh. The scoop has a purpose in the WRX? Not blocked by plastic?

A3R0 > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:49

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I would say no wing and barely visible scoop, just for the cooling and looks.

YSI-what can brown do for you > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 18:51

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What he needs is this. . .

I think it looks nice without a hood scoop, but it is needed. But if you can make the scoop smaller but just as functional then it would look awesome.

Takuro Spirit > ddavidn 10/28/2013 at 18:54

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Correct.

erspimp03 > hollanddjw 1 10/28/2013 at 19:06

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I feel like the scoop would still help a bit with cooling. But yes, it looks like crap to me, garish is definitely the right word.

LeadfootYT > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/28/2013 at 19:08

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FMIC makes it unnecessary. Otherwise I'm with you.

MountainCommand > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:09

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A scooby isnt a true scooby without its wing. It looks like it got neutered.

-yourfriendlyhondabro

Milky > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:09

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Everyone is going wingless, buck the trend, fully rally style!

YSI-what can brown do for you > LeadfootYT 10/28/2013 at 19:13

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This is true, but if you aren't going to change the intercooler location then it is. Either way, no scoop is the best!

webmonkees > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:13

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Scoop yes, Spoiler depends on how much 100+ he dares. Stability or something.

Dunno.

My speeo doesn't even do triple digits. I stick to the usual Subaru mods.

:P

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > Milky 10/28/2013 at 19:15

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I second this.

GreenN_Gold > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:20

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I like the scoop because if you're sitting at an intersection and the lighting is just right you can see hot vapors rising out of the scoop, and who doesn't want to see that?

feather-throttle-not-hair > Takuro Spirit 10/28/2013 at 19:24

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I thought the scoop was to feed the intercooler. If its front mounted isn't it kind of redundant?

feather-throttle-not-hair > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:25

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Take it off! TAKE IT ALL OFF!!!

*waves stack of $1 bills*

GhostZ > Milky 10/28/2013 at 19:28

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Double the fun with roof spoilers!

getchapopcorn > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 19:28

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The 2004 STI has a TMIC — no?

LeadfootYT > YSI-what can brown do for you 10/28/2013 at 19:32

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You're absolutely correct. OP specified that this one was front mounted though.

YSI-what can brown do for you > LeadfootYT 10/28/2013 at 19:35

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Oh well then, yeah get rid of it!

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/28/2013 at 19:56

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you'll still get air flow in there to help cool the engine, it doesn't hurt to keep it.

Takuro Spirit > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/28/2013 at 19:58

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Yes, but it still serves a purpose for cooling the turbo and engine bay in general. Unless your car is bone stock under the hood, EXCEPT for the FMIC, you could probably go scoop-less without issue. But if you're heavily modded, you need that extra rush of air in there.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 20:04

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if the scoop is going I'd recommend a hood vent.

that one is from KSTech, louvre plates are available if you're worried about rain getting in.

Kugelblitz > Takuro Spirit 10/28/2013 at 20:06

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The scoop is important because it directs dried leaves onto your intercooler and headers.

chato > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/28/2013 at 20:07

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not sure about wrx, but on my legacy gt, the hoodscoop has an diverter that sends air over the turbo, in addition to the TMIC.

legory > getchapopcorn 10/28/2013 at 20:12

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They all do, but you can change that.

feather-throttle-not-hair > Takuro Spirit 10/28/2013 at 20:12

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I'm not 100 percent sure that's true (though i'm happy to admit, it probably is true and you're likely correct)

Underhood aerodynamics are tricky though. The Celica GT4 had big problems because the hood scoop actually ended up hurting cooling rather than effectively feeding the intercooler. I'm sure Subaru have a more effective design, but you never know. The smooth flow of air from the front to the back of the hood could be screwed up by forcing a bunch more air in right in the middle. Under normal top mounted intercooled conditions this disruption may be worth it, but without a TMIC its entirely possible not having a scoop is better.

Or I could be full of shit. That is a very real possibility.

legory > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 20:14

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Cough cough I like this sort of styling cough...

Well, I'm not a blobeye fan, but blobeyes do look better without a scoop, and I'm not an STI rally wing fan. So there you go. Yeah he should.

Frank Grimes > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 20:38

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All the hipsters are putting more wings on.

getchapopcorn > legory 10/28/2013 at 20:43

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Not saying that you're advocating this — just throwing it up there. http://rusubaru.com/intercooler-ef…

hollanddjw 1 > erspimp03 10/28/2013 at 21:10

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Well, I suppose you could stick an oil cooler or something up there, but, yeah.

boxrocket > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 21:36

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keep them both. Factory look is good.

Either way, it won't look as good as an Evo. Not a "fanboy" or anything (I'm a Volvo/Mazda/McLaren/Ford/Jaaaaaaag/Aston Martin/Land Rover fan myself), just like the the Evo's looks better. Also, most Evo owners I've encountered tend to be about a decade older than their Subaru compatriots, and thus seem blessed with greater maturity and experience.

Burrito de EJ25 > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 21:48

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A WRX without a hood scoop? Someone wants to get into a slap fight.

flails hands intimidatingly

legory > getchapopcorn 10/28/2013 at 22:48

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Whoever wrote that seems a little biased towards TMIC- but here's a very simple reasoning for which intercooler you should choose:

High RPM boost, you want a FMIC.
Lower RPM boost, you want a TMIC.

As the article states, TMICs are much more prone to heat soak (so much so, in fact, that STIs come with a water-spray nozzle for the scoop) which isn't good for high boost pressure.

dropthatclutch > feather-throttle-not-hair 10/28/2013 at 22:54

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It is true. Immediately inside the hood the scoop is divided in to 2 portions. About 80% of the air is directed to the top mount inter cooler. The remaining 20% is directed to the turbo for cooling not for air intake. If you're looking at the scoop from the front of the car the left side is the smaller side for turbo cooling.

candyfobreakfast > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/28/2013 at 22:58

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Tell him to find another one, because modded WRX/STI's are an extremely risky buy. You can almost guarantee any of these three: 1. low quality parts that will break 2. badly tuned 3. driven to shit and the motor is about to die.

Find a clear title vehicle with no mods and have it inspected by a well known shop, with an emphasis on doing a compression test on the motor. Then have fun.

61degrees.north > IDDaVo - Now has a Toy Yoda 10/29/2013 at 11:13

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Glad mine's a hatch.